“So, if humility is a top value and characteristic of Christian Faith, and God is so humble, why must we worship God?” A brilliant question, ‘shot from the hip’, to Albert Bogle in his raw, real, punchy, gentle, humble & inspiring (Sanctuary First) podcast interview with Stewart Darrietta. Darrietta is peforming ‘My Leonard Cohen’ & ‘Tom Waits for no man’ at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe till the end of August and thoroughly endears himself to us in this frank conversation.

And Albert moves seamlessly from Stewart’s electrifying spiritual experience under the direction of a Hindu guide to talk about the Holy Spirit’s power and energy to heal and change us. The dialogue goes deep into Stewart’s soul and we come up for breath with questions of our own, wanting to know more about this talented Aussie with a gallus, gritty, gravely voice.

This rough diamond Darrietta naturally displays a well-worn & won humility and fires this genuine puzzling question at Albert, who displays a similar humility but deals with the question head-on, “God doesn’t draw our worship and adulation for God’s good (God is God and needs for nothing), rather for our own good.” It’s us humans that become better, brighter, and blessed in the centring and orienting ourselves in and around God: Father, Son & Holy Spirit. God, in perfect community, attracts and draws us into communion with our Heavenly Parent, Elder Brother & Saviour Jesus, and Holy Spirit Personal Power. God doesn’t need our adoration, but, like a Papa appreciating the attention of a grandchild who loves to sit in Papa’s lap, God warms to our appreciation. And us humans get to feel 10 feet tall and preciously small in the company of The Almighty, All-powerful, All Knowing, Always Present and All Loving God!

Darrietta has several special Cohen songs he highlights, but ‘Dance me to the end of love’ is the one that boggles Bogle. Some Jews entering the Nazi gas chambers danced towards their death, hence the song’s title. What a determined dance of protest, wow! And Albert reminds us of the eternal ‘perichoresis’ dance of Love that Jesus leads us in. (mixing metaphors) It’s the first course of Sacrificial Love that we get to experience, express, and explore here on earth, but the main course and desert is in the marriage feast of heaven. Darrietta tragically lost a son and Albert sensitively and beautifully points to the eternal love that he still has for his son.

“We don’t yet see things clearly. We’re squinting in a fog, peering through a mist. But it won’t be long before the weather clears and the sun shines bright! We’ll see it all then, see it all as clearly as God sees us, knowing him directly just as he knows us!

 But for right now, until that completeness, we have three things to do to lead us toward that consummation: Trust steadily in God, hope unswervingly, love extravagantly. And the best of the three is love.” (1 Corinthians 13:12-13 / MSG)

Thanks Albert, Nikki & Stewart for your soul stretching podcast. Dance on my Friends!